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Tarot Card Comparisons; The Thoth Eight of Cups & The Babylonian Tarot 8 of Cups-Neglect

The Tarot of EliThe Thoth-EIGHT OF CUPS: INDOLENCE

Astrologically, this card is Saturn in Pisces, which brings about a sense of disinterest with the material condition.

Saturn in the Water sign Pisces, causes a certain introspection  of subtle problems turning one's focus away from the material condition; a subtle depression of a sort and a neglect of physical presence, i.e. a discontent.

The Thoth Deck 8 of Cups, is Indolence and/or The Lord of Abandoned Success. Attributed to this card is Saturn in Pisces. The Angels of the Decan: Vabaliah and Yeshivah.

Here,the eighth Sephiroth- Hod, Splendor, is in Briah, the Mental/Creative World.

To reiterate, Hod is the concrete mind; However, with Saturn in Pisces the 8 of Cups, being a Water sign, doesn't balance Saturn's energy well.
With Saturn in a water sign, a certain amount of  introspection, manifests as disinterest with material conditions. Again, the effect, is discontent or a decline in interest in anything. Thus, one's tendency  is to abandon success.

The interpretation of the Eight of Cups, is based on the fact that Pisces, is calm and stagnant water, that is completely deadened by the heavy influences of Saturn.
We know Water, is the Element of consciousness, so what is going on within one is a deadening  of interest, a complete lack of wonder.
 
Therefore, on the Thoth Card, the lotuses of enlightenment droop, for lack of sun or rain. The Sea of mind has become little stagnant pools, in poisoned soil, a swamp of decomposing past. All the cups are old and broken, symbolizing "an old and worn out" way of thinking. The Sun of Spirit, is a pallid yellowish light barely shinning through the leaden clouds of indigo where mind and emotions are on autopilot; thought process is not conducive to expanding and liberating the Life of the person. The blood in the body is moving like molasses. This person needs stimulation!

Not my favorite card, but this dullness of mind, is often necessary to warn us that it is time to evaluate our feelings.

The divination meaning of this card is the abandoned success, or decline of interest in anything.
Emotional stagnation is a sense of being overly tired, drained, depleted and exhausted. The two central golden cups are shown flowing emotionally downward into our lower emotional natures. What we once thought of as previously emotionally rewarding ( Open lotus flowers)  is  no longer satisfying our higher sense of being; the three top cups represent our higher sense of I AM ME.  It could be said that the trinity of  empty cups represents our lower sense of  I dislike me

Therefore the 8 of cups reminds us that it is time to reevaluate and set different emotional goals. We are energy-in-motion, as Spirit we activate the animation of our bodies. This card says that the Spirit is not gleeful in its performance as a body. In fact it is wondering if it is all worth the trouble. This is what many call "self-absorbed" behavior, were we concentrate on failure to succeed rather than instigate a new motion in our life.

This indolence is easily changed by lifting your "I" sight above the muck and mire of negative stagnant motion and looking outward to a new path beyond the swamp where the roses are in bloom . For just by taking time to smell the Roses and go about designing a new garden plot of self identity, we begin to move. So take heart, for in 8 days, or 8 weeks , you will feel a renewal of cascading energy that launches a new direction in your life!

The Babylonian Tarot, 8 of Cups-Neglect, expounds upon this "swimming in one's own pool of emotion" by referring once again to the epic of Gilgamesh.
The Sumero-Babylonian epic, states that after a long and arduous quest to find immortality, Gilgamesh finally finds the immortal ancestor, Utnapishtim, the Mesopotamian Noah.

After the great flood, that destroyed humanity, all except Utnapishtim and his family. The only human that the gods gave immortality to was Utnapishtim.  Gilgamesh, who struggles with the idea of his own mortality, persuades the Ancient Ancestor Utnapishtim, to tell him where the magical plant that granted immortality, was to be found. Gilgamesh dives to the bottom of the Sea to fetch the plant, however, on his journey home, he stops to bathe in a pool of water.

The story and the Babylonian Tarot card shows him swimming, as a serpent eats the magical plant. Therefore, Gilgamesh's neglectfulness, has lost him the  one chance at eternal youth he so desired and labored for. He turn his focus away from the desired success and therefore abandoned success.
Beneath him in the pool are the eight cups and the symbolic cuneiform of the number eight.

When thrown during a reading, the querent is advised:
  • That the querent maybe experiencing exhaustion, being overly tired, drain and dull emotionally.
  •  There is an unconscious change taking place, on a deep inner level of feeling.
  • There is a warning here to Pay attention to your self...stop and examine your perspectives, this is the end of something and the beginning of something new!
  • The emotional state of stagnation and stillness.This could go on for 8 weeks or 8 months, depending on the querent's actions.

  • Of the need of structure or discipline to set some limits on over-extension.
  •  Due to the querent's past refusal to leave some situation, even though they know they have taken all they can from it, a certain unconscious emotional change is taking place and giving the seeker no choice but to move on.


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2 Comments to Tarot Card Comparisons; The Thoth Eight of Cups & The Babylonian Tarot 8 of Cups-Neglect:

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I AM MEAN on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 4:56 AM

Serpents seem to like to ruin things for people in folklore stories. Any particular reason for this, or do ancient people just really hate serpents?

May you live long and prosper.

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Eli on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 8:03 AM
The ancients actually worshiped serpents.Lord Python of the ancient Greeks,who was the "First Husband",and worked through the Priestess of Delphi. The Serpent Sata of the Egyptians, who was the Husband of the Earth, etc. The Serpent was seen as the Sexual Force of Creation. Being that it had to do with sex, it was demonized by the Christian revisionism, therefore, the middle ages is where the serpent (the bad tempter of Eve) in the Tree of Life (Knowledge) is reviled as a rat would fear a rattle snake. In truth, the survival mind fears, but the Mind knows, and the first ever frequency of Motion in the One energy, is always a "Serpentine flow" and shown as a serpent. Thank you for your comments, interest and supportive donation. May you live long and prosper.

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