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Tarot Card Comparisons: The Thoth Tarot- 8 of Cups: Indolence & The B.O.T.A. Tarot-8 of Cups


The Tarot of EliIn the Thoth Eight of Cups-Indolence, there is represented only the end of the Seven of Cups-Debauch. The gluttony of the Seven has succumbed to the putrefaction of the 8. Yet it must, for putrefaction proceeds purification.


Hod is the 8th Sephira and means Splendor. Being in the Suit of Water and with the influence of Mercury (splendor), we would expect a "shimmering, dancing Water"; However, we have to understand the influence of Saturn in Pisces, which rules this card.  Pisces, is calm but stagnant water and Saturn completely deadens it as if lead was added to the pool. So the Splendor here, is that of the hypochondriac: "Oh look at me, how splendid is my suffering"!

There is no sea, only pools and the fluorescence of putrefaction ( as shown in the 7), is long gone into complete stagnation. To drink this water (indulge in your negative emotions) is to mentally die.

The completion of the stagnation is shown in the drooping lotus bosoms who lack both Sun and rain ( rain would be applying "new emotions") and the soil is poison to them (a sickly foundation), growing only two  sickly-blooms. The cups (vessels of thought that the emotions fill) are old and broken. The three row arrangement of the cups (Three states of Manifested Mind), shows only the slow filling from  two central cups, that spill into the lower cups (lowest emotions). The back ground of the card shows only "the bad lands" of a poisoned landscape of self-identity.

This seeming over-stressing the point of Indolent behavior should get one's attention: For whom ever this card is about, is wallowing in self pity, making the conscious mind (Self-Conscious) a poisoned morass of negative perspectives. Hopefully this card is not surrounded by negative cards, or suicide is a possibility!

Therefore the Thoth card's art makes us aware of the illusion of suffering for the sense of self-importance. This also can happen when we have a emotional shock, such as a loved one dying, and we are quilt ridden with the thoughts of " I should have done or acted different". Soon enough "survivors quilt"  drags us down into a morass of suffering, that becomes more important than our health. The martyrdom of such thinking, allows only emotional decay and everything or everyone's sympathy, just adds to the misery of the self-absorbed splendor.  My only advice is to:Get over yourself and get on with you, for death is inevitable, and even the best doctor's in the World can't stop it. It is enough to know that each one of us is Spirit, and spirit is the life and death of the body it animates.In other word's, " I Am the alpha and the omega of my self creations".

The correction to this swamp of self-misery, is as the Buddha was quoted as saying to a beggar woman who lost her child to an ox-cart accident at a certain cross-roads, where she sat in misery, never leaving the place of suffering; He said, as he picked her up off of the street," I greatly suggest that you go forth and find someone who has not lost a loved one". In other words, he just gave her a purpose for living.

In my soul is a past personality of such a self-absorbed one. In the Tibetan year of 323 my great teacher, Yo Chen, who started me on the paths of "Above all things, Know thyself", also taught me a lesson in strength, when he looked down on a suffering 12 year old and said," If you wish to speak to me, you must stand for I'll not kneel to your weakness".  Just standing above my misery, became my purpose and the Soul progressed with a new discernment. So when this card is thrown, it suggests to the querent it is time to stand up, and look above the swamp of your own emotional quagmire, and support yourself in a motion  of "tough love", rather than seek support of your pain.

As Stated: The Thoth Deck 8 of Cups, is Indolence and/or The Lord of Abandoned Success. Attributed to this card is Saturn in Pisces. The Angels of the Decan: Vabaliah and Yeshivah.


Here, Hod-Splendor, is in Briah, the Mental World. To reiterate, Hod, the 8th Sephiroth, is the concrete mind; However, with Saturn in Pisces the 8 of Cups, being a Water sign doesn't balance Saturn's energy well.

With Saturn in a water sign, a certain amount of  introspection, manifests as disinterest with material conditions. The effect, is discontent or a decline in interest in anything. Thus, one's tendency  is to abandon success.

Again, the interpretation of the Eight of Cups, is based on the fact that Pisces, is calm and stagnant water, that is completely deadened by the heavy influences of Saturn.
As students of the metaphysical, we know Water, is the Element of consciousness, so what is going on within one is a deadening  of interest, a complete lack of wonder.
Hence, the lotuses of enlightenment droop, for lack of sun or rain. The Sea of mind has become little stagnant pools, in poisoned soil. All the cups are old and broken, symbolizing "an old and worn out" way of thinking.The Sun of Spirit, is a pallid yellowish light barely shinning through the leaden clouds of indigo. Mind and emotions on autopilot, thought process is not conducive to expanding and liberating the Life of the person. The blood in the body is moving like molasses. This person needs stimulation! For to "live in the past", is an impossible illusion; life is only a moment of movement in the "now".

Not my favorite card, but this dullness of mind, is often necessary to warn us that it is time to evaluate our "splendor of feelings", for indeed, like the shine of rhinestones, they blind us to what is real.

The B.O.T.A. Tarot- 8 of Cups:
Depicts four silver-blue cups above and the reflections of them below.
The colors of blue and silver, are again water and mercury. No mention of Pisces, or Saturn or the card's meaning is present. That is because, the Builder's of the Adytum, have their own correspondence courses on these "small cards" .
It is enough to know the eight is a symbol of infinity, as well as, She-Unconscious and He-Conscious, formed from the same circle of infinity. Therefore, the Unconscious and Conscious are both in agreement here. One of the Hermetic Qabalah would know that this alone is a rational  and imagination agreeing to a creation of illusion. Such is Infinity-an illusion, since in the realms of matter, there are beginnings and ends, only in the invisible One Energy, is infinity suggested, as one cannot measure an end or beginning.  This card can therefore suggest, "it's okay, it won't last, for all things come to an end"; including emotions.


When the 8 of Cups is thrown during a reading,
  • The querent maybe experiencing exhaustion, being overly tired, drain and dull emotionally.
  • There is an unconscious change taking place, on a deep inner level of feeling.
  • There is a warning here to Pay attention to your self...stop and examine your perspectives, this is the end of something and the beginning of something new!
  • The emotional state of stagnation and stillness.This could go on for 8 weeks or 8 months, depending on the querent's actions.
  • The querent (or the one they queried about) will be or is experiencing, a depressive state of emotions.
  • Success is abandoned,as there is a decline of interest in anything.
  • Any positive things are thrown aside as soon as gained; not lasting even in the mater at hand. 
  • Misery and repining without a viable cause.
  •  A continual seeking after riches, without the emotional energy to gain them.
  • Now if there are a lot of positive cards accompanying this negative one, there will be temporary success, but without further result.

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